Comments on: Got Fathers? http://blog.ancient-future.net/2006/08/30/got-fathers/ The Ancient and Future Catholics Blog Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:18:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: LutherPunk http://blog.ancient-future.net/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-487 LutherPunk Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:29:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-487 Let's try again:<br/><a HREF="http://www.renewingworship.org/ELW/content/PDF/ChurchYear_asm_20060119.pdf" REL="nofollow">ELW Calendar</a> Let’s try again:
ELW Calendar

]]> By: LutherPunk http://blog.ancient-future.net/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-486 LutherPunk Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:26:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-486 here is the link to the new Lutheran claendar as put forth in the ELW:<br/><br/>http://www.renewingworship.org/ELW/content/PDF/ChurchYear_asm_20060119.pdf<br/><br/>Careful, it is a 115 page pdf document. here is the link to the new Lutheran claendar as put forth in the ELW:

http://www.renewingworship.org/ELW/content/PDF/ChurchYear_asm_20060119.pdf

Careful, it is a 115 page pdf document.

]]> By: David B. http://blog.ancient-future.net/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-484 David B. Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:48:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-484 Amen to the common ground comments. I am glad to see Lutherans observe the fathers too. Yes, we worship the same God.<br/><br/>Art,<br/>I have noticed that too. I grew up UM and I never knew the UMC had a lectionary until I was in grad school. I also found out that the UMC has a saints calendar, that includes John Calvin of all people (I wonder what Wesley would think of that?). However, I don't think it is in common use. I know that the church I grew up in would probably raise up in revolt if a lectionary was used and the saints days observed. Amen to the common ground comments. I am glad to see Lutherans observe the fathers too. Yes, we worship the same God.

Art,
I have noticed that too. I grew up UM and I never knew the UMC had a lectionary until I was in grad school. I also found out that the UMC has a saints calendar, that includes John Calvin of all people (I wonder what Wesley would think of that?). However, I don’t think it is in common use. I know that the church I grew up in would probably raise up in revolt if a lectionary was used and the saints days observed.

]]> By: Art http://blog.ancient-future.net/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-474 Art Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:25:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-474 For United Methodists, generally no. Our liturgical calendar is based on the RCS and we observe a few special days other than Christmas and Easter (All Saints' and Ascension of the Lord) but no celebration of the Church Fathers that I'm aware of.<br/><br/>In fact many smaller UM Churches pretty much ignore the church calendar and the lectionary because I suspect, as LutherPunk said, these things seem "too Catholic".<br/><br/>Good point from LP about 'common ground' though. We all worship the same LORD, don't we? For United Methodists, generally no. Our liturgical calendar is based on the RCS and we observe a few special days other than Christmas and Easter (All Saints’ and Ascension of the Lord) but no celebration of the Church Fathers that I’m aware of.

In fact many smaller UM Churches pretty much ignore the church calendar and the lectionary because I suspect, as LutherPunk said, these things seem “too Catholic”.

Good point from LP about ‘common ground’ though. We all worship the same LORD, don’t we?

]]> By: David B. http://blog.ancient-future.net/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-473 David B. Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:46:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-473 LP,<br/>Thanks for your response. I thought "you know, I should know whether Lutherans observe the Fathers liturgically, but strangely, I don't!" lol. I am glad to see that many Lutherans do.<br/><br/>David LP,
Thanks for your response. I thought “you know, I should know whether Lutherans observe the Fathers liturgically, but strangely, I don’t!” lol. I am glad to see that many Lutherans do.

David

]]> By: LutherPunk http://blog.ancient-future.net/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-472 LutherPunk Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:15:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/got-fathers/#comment-472 In short, yes we do observe the fathers in the course of the liturgical cycle. However, the calendar is different from the Roman calendar in that some feasts have been removed, and like the Anglicans, some people are commemorated that I think may be a bit "iffy". <br/><br/>We have weekday Eucharists locally in which the sermon itself is generally replaced with a bit of redings from the Fathers or a piece hagiography about them. I usually use the Anglican missal (which is more Roman than the Romans) as my starting point for this. On Sundays, if a particular saint's feast falls on that day, I try and incorporate it into the homily. <br/><br/>Also, when doing the daily office, I try to bring in readings from the Fathers as often as possible. Of course, this is simply a reflection of personal piety, and not church wide practice. <br/><br/>As I am sure Derek can attest, there are many Lutherans who view the a focus on the Fathers as being "too Catholic"<br/><br/>I once preached a series of sermons during Lenten Vespers about a "Lutheran" view of walking with the saints. Luther suggested that the saints be seen as the ultimate examples of those who have lived the Christian life and may be imitated as such. He did warn against excessive focus on the saints that could detract from Christ. I think he was really pushing the notion of moderation, which is odd given his own tendencies for going to absurd extremes. <br/><br/>Anyway, I hope this helps answer your question. I think that coming to common ground on issues like this will bring all communions closer together, as we see that we are standing on the shoulders of a common and collective past. In short, yes we do observe the fathers in the course of the liturgical cycle. However, the calendar is different from the Roman calendar in that some feasts have been removed, and like the Anglicans, some people are commemorated that I think may be a bit “iffy”.

We have weekday Eucharists locally in which the sermon itself is generally replaced with a bit of redings from the Fathers or a piece hagiography about them. I usually use the Anglican missal (which is more Roman than the Romans) as my starting point for this. On Sundays, if a particular saint’s feast falls on that day, I try and incorporate it into the homily.

Also, when doing the daily office, I try to bring in readings from the Fathers as often as possible. Of course, this is simply a reflection of personal piety, and not church wide practice.

As I am sure Derek can attest, there are many Lutherans who view the a focus on the Fathers as being “too Catholic”

I once preached a series of sermons during Lenten Vespers about a “Lutheran” view of walking with the saints. Luther suggested that the saints be seen as the ultimate examples of those who have lived the Christian life and may be imitated as such. He did warn against excessive focus on the saints that could detract from Christ. I think he was really pushing the notion of moderation, which is odd given his own tendencies for going to absurd extremes.

Anyway, I hope this helps answer your question. I think that coming to common ground on issues like this will bring all communions closer together, as we see that we are standing on the shoulders of a common and collective past.

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