Comments on: More from MommyLife http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/03/more-from-mommylife/ The Ancient and Future Catholics Blog Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:10:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: A Simple Sinner http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/03/more-from-mommylife/#comment-1270 A Simple Sinner Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:18:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/more-from-mommylife/#comment-1270 I encourage her to read all of the Reformers! <br/><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bucer" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Martin Bucer">Martin Bucer</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Bullinger" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Heinrich Bullinger">Heinrich Bullinger</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin" REL="nofollow" TITLE="John Calvin">John Calvin</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Karlstadt" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Andreas Karlstadt">Andreas von Carlstadt</a>, later a <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Reformation" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Radical Reformation">Radical Reformer</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Fabricius_Capito" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Wolfgang Fabricius Capito">Wolfgang Fabricius Capito</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Chemnitz" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Martin Chemnitz">Martin Chemnitz</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cranmer" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Thomas Cranmer">Thomas Cranmer</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Farel" REL="nofollow" TITLE="William Farel">William Farel</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Flacius" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Matthias Flacius">Matthias Flacius</a><br/>Caspar Hedio<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justus_Jonas" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Justus Jonas">Justus Jonas</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knox" REL="nofollow" TITLE="John Knox">John Knox</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_%C5%81aski" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Jan Łaski">Jan Łaski</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Martin Luther">Martin Luther</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp_Melanchthon" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Philipp Melanchthon">Philipp Melanchthon</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Oecolampadius" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Johannes Oecolampadius">Johannes Oecolampadius</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Martire_Vermigli" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Pietro Martire Vermigli">Peter Martyr</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Vadian" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Joachim Vadian">Joachim Vadian</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentius_Petri" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Laurentius Petri">Laurentius Petri</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaus_Petri" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Olaus Petri">Olaus Petri</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Viret" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Pierre Viret">Pierre Viret</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huldrych_Zwingli" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Huldrych Zwingli">Huldrych Zwingli</a><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aonio_Paleario" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Aonio Paleario">Aonio Paleario</a><br/><br/><br/>Start reading through them all and start to ask yourself, why are they not in greater agreement? <br/><br/>What trajectory took Protestantism from Lutheran and Calvinistic liturgical bodies to the evangelical/pentecostal mega-churches we have today?<br/><br/>Why were they not united? In turn, why did their spiritual heirs further divide?<br/><br/>Honestly, I am all for her reading more Luther, and then asking, how did that work out, how united are Lutherans in their understandings today?<br/><br/>Read up on your reformers, read up on their reforms, and then look and see what became of Rome...<br/><br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huldrych_Zwingli" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Huldrych Zwingli">Huldrych Zwingli</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Switzerland">S</a>, 1484-1531)<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale" REL="nofollow" TITLE="William Tyndale">William Tyndale</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England" REL="nofollow" TITLE="England">E</a>, 1494-1536)<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menno_Simmons" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Menno Simmons">Menno Simmons</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Netherlands" REL="nofollow" TITLE="The Netherlands">N</a>, ((1496–1561))<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Martin Luther">Martin Luther</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Germany">G</a>, 1483–1546)<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_M%C3%BCntzer" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Thomas Müntzer">Thomas Müntzer</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Germany">G</a>, 1489-1525)<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin" REL="nofollow" TITLE="John Calvin">John Calvin</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Switzerland">S</a>, 1509–1564)<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cranmer" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Thomas Cranmer">Thomas Cranmer</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England" REL="nofollow" TITLE="England">E</a>, 1489–1556)<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knox" REL="nofollow" TITLE="John Knox">John Knox</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Scotland">Sc</a>, 1514?–1572)<br/><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley" REL="nofollow" TITLE="John Wesley">John Wesley</a> (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England" REL="nofollow" TITLE="England">E</a>, 1703–1791) <br/><br/>Than I suggest she starts to challenge the popular mythos of the reformation... And the popular myths about reformation era Catholicism. I encourage her to read all of the Reformers!

Martin Bucer
Heinrich Bullinger
John Calvin
Andreas von Carlstadt, later a Radical Reformer
Wolfgang Fabricius Capito
Martin Chemnitz
Thomas Cranmer
William Farel
Matthias Flacius
Caspar Hedio
Justus Jonas
John Knox
Jan Łaski
Martin Luther
Philipp Melanchthon
Johannes Oecolampadius
Peter Martyr
Joachim Vadian
Laurentius Petri
Olaus Petri
Pierre Viret
Huldrych Zwingli
Aonio Paleario

Start reading through them all and start to ask yourself, why are they not in greater agreement?

What trajectory took Protestantism from Lutheran and Calvinistic liturgical bodies to the evangelical/pentecostal mega-churches we have today?

Why were they not united? In turn, why did their spiritual heirs further divide?

Honestly, I am all for her reading more Luther, and then asking, how did that work out, how united are Lutherans in their understandings today?

Read up on your reformers, read up on their reforms, and then look and see what became of Rome…

Huldrych Zwingli (S, 1484-1531)
William Tyndale (E, 1494-1536)
Menno Simmons (N, ((1496–1561))
Martin Luther (G, 1483–1546)
Thomas Müntzer (G, 1489-1525)
John Calvin (S, 1509–1564)
Thomas Cranmer (E, 1489–1556)
John Knox (Sc, 1514?–1572)
John Wesley (E, 1703–1791)

Than I suggest she starts to challenge the popular mythos of the reformation… And the popular myths about reformation era Catholicism.

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