Commentüs on: Christmas is Pagan? Hardly. The Origins of Christmas http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/ The Ancient and Future Catholic Blog Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:07:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: 4 Theories on the Date of Christmas « The Black Cordelias http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-5059 4 Theories on the Date of Christmas « The Black Cordelias Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:38:55 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-5059 [...] Bennett at Per Christum has an excellent article beginning with this [...] [...] Bennett at Per Christum has an excellent article beginning with this [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1508 Anonymous Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:03:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1508 " Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary on December 25th [D] in Bethlehem, his birth was announced by a star in the east, which three kings or magi followed to locate and adorn the new savior. He was a child teacher at 12, at the age of 30 he was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry. Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, he was also known as the "King of Kings," the "Son of God," the "Light of the World," the "Alpha and Omega," the "Lamb of God," and many others. After being betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, he was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into Heaven.<br/><br/>First of all, the birth sequence is completely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt. These 3 bright stars are called today what they were called in ancient times: The Three Kings. The Three Kings and the brightest star, Sirius, all point to the place of the sunrise on December 25th. This is why the Three Kings "follow" the star in the east, in order to locate the sunrise -- the birth of the sun.<br/>For more answers and truth go here:<br/><br/>http://zeitgeistmovie.com/<br/><br/>There is NO god. Man created god in his image. ” Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary on December 25th [D] in Bethlehem, his birth was announced by a star in the east, which three kings or magi followed to locate and adorn the new savior. He was a child teacher at 12, at the age of 30 he was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry. Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, he was also known as the “King of Kings,” the “Son of God,” the “Light of the World,” the “Alpha and Omega,” the “Lamb of God,” and many others. After being betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, he was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into Heaven.

First of all, the birth sequence is completely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion’s Belt. These 3 bright stars are called today what they were called in ancient times: The Three Kings. The Three Kings and the brightest star, Sirius, all point to the place of the sunrise on December 25th. This is why the Three Kings “follow” the star in the east, in order to locate the sunrise — the birth of the sun.
For more answers and truth go here:

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

There is NO god. Man created god in his image.

]]> By: A Simple Sinner http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1323 A Simple Sinner Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:18:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1323 I think our arguments are complimentary! You lay the foundation for a good Scriptural apologetic with tradition, I offer suggestions from tradition with a Scriptural apologetic.<br/><br/>I point out how red the red circle is, you point out how round it is. I think our arguments are complimentary! You lay the foundation for a good Scriptural apologetic with tradition, I offer suggestions from tradition with a Scriptural apologetic.

I point out how red the red circle is, you point out how round it is.

]]> By: NiceneHobbit http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1322 NiceneHobbit Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:13:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1322 simple,<br/> I understand what you're saying...I am just using Scripture as a proof to counter those who say we just "made up the date". Using the Lucan account and the Jewish calendar is an irrefutable method. simple,
I understand what you’re saying…I am just using Scripture as a proof to counter those who say we just “made up the date”. Using the Lucan account and the Jewish calendar is an irrefutable method.

]]> By: A Simple Sinner http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1312 A Simple Sinner Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:21:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1312 Simpler still, a hopelessly plain-spoken traditionalist priest (Fr. Wolfe, FSSP) came out shooting straight from the hip on this issue. He asks in a live sermon, "What mother here can forget the date of thier first child's birth?" As the <a HREF="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm" REL="nofollow">Catholic Encylopedia </a>relays "No doubt, the words of St. John (19:27), "and from that hour the disciple took her to his own", refer not merely to the time between Easter and Pentecost, but they extend to the whole of Mary's later life." Traditions are pretty clear that Mary, our inheritance from the last will & testament of Christ ("Woman, behold your son!" Then He said to the disciple, "Behold your mother!" ), remained with the Apostles after Pentecost, encouraging the faithful, and recieving pilgrims.<br/><br/>Think about that. If you lived with the Mother of Our Lord, what would you ask of her? EVERYTHING.<br/><br/>"Mother what was Jesus' favorite food? When was He born? What games did He play as a child? What were His first words?..."<br/><br/>They knew when His birthday was. <br/><br/>Furhter, we all celebrate it on the same day. People who tell you eastern Christians celebrate it in January are confused by (a) the Epiphany or (b) use of the Julian calendar! From as far East as India to as far West as Spain, it is on the same date on all liturgical calendars. Coincidence?<br/><br/>This has only been doubted in the recent era by folks adhearing to sola scriptura (though the veracity of this date using Biblical evidence is possible!) and modern biblical scholars who rely heavily on a historical critical method that does not consider ancient traditional teachings. The idea that we can't be sure of the dating of Scripture or what in Scripture is authentic, is just plain odd and foreign to a Catholic.<br/><br/>December 25: Not just a memorial, an actual birthdate. Simpler still, a hopelessly plain-spoken traditionalist priest (Fr. Wolfe, FSSP) came out shooting straight from the hip on this issue. He asks in a live sermon, “What mother here can forget the date of thier first child’s birth?” As the Catholic Encylopedia relays “No doubt, the words of St. John (19:27), “and from that hour the disciple took her to his own”, refer not merely to the time between Easter and Pentecost, but they extend to the whole of Mary’s later life.” Traditions are pretty clear that Mary, our inheritance from the last will & testament of Christ (”Woman, behold your son!” Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” ), remained with the Apostles after Pentecost, encouraging the faithful, and recieving pilgrims.

Think about that. If you lived with the Mother of Our Lord, what would you ask of her? EVERYTHING.

“Mother what was Jesus’ favorite food? When was He born? What games did He play as a child? What were His first words?…”

They knew when His birthday was.

Furhter, we all celebrate it on the same day. People who tell you eastern Christians celebrate it in January are confused by (a) the Epiphany or (b) use of the Julian calendar! From as far East as India to as far West as Spain, it is on the same date on all liturgical calendars. Coincidence?

This has only been doubted in the recent era by folks adhearing to sola scriptura (though the veracity of this date using Biblical evidence is possible!) and modern biblical scholars who rely heavily on a historical critical method that does not consider ancient traditional teachings. The idea that we can’t be sure of the dating of Scripture or what in Scripture is authentic, is just plain odd and foreign to a Catholic.

December 25: Not just a memorial, an actual birthdate.

]]> By: NiceneHobbit http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1307 NiceneHobbit Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:55:00 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/christmas-is-pagan-hardly-the-origins-of-christmas/#comment-1307 Actually, I can prove Christ was born in December (or darn close):<br/> The angel Gabriel appeared to Mary "in the sixth month" of the Jewish year...that is, in Adar (our February/March). Now count nine months for the pregnancy and you come to Kislev (our November/December). <br/> According to some Church Fathers, Jesus was born during Channukah. <br/> Therefore, Jesus Christ was born of the Holy Virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judea in the Jewish month of Kislev (December) during the Festival of Lights. And I say likely on what is December 25th. Actually, I can prove Christ was born in December (or darn close):
The angel Gabriel appeared to Mary “in the sixth month” of the Jewish year…that is, in Adar (our February/March). Now count nine months for the pregnancy and you come to Kislev (our November/December).
According to some Church Fathers, Jesus was born during Channukah.
Therefore, Jesus Christ was born of the Holy Virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judea in the Jewish month of Kislev (December) during the Festival of Lights. And I say likely on what is December 25th.

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