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March 22, 2008 at 12:45 pm
That is good.
Have you ever seen the one that has a baby seal crying and say “Save the Baby Humans?”
Sorry I went looking and couldn’t find it.
March 22, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Here it is http://www.christianshirts.net/images/bumper/saveB250.gif
March 22, 2008 at 1:48 pm
wow, hadn’t seen that before. what must those california liberals think?
March 22, 2008 at 7:51 pm
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March 22, 2008 at 9:05 pm
You may of course comment - as orthodox Catholics, we will of course be opposed to the destruction of human life, and most of us are rather befuddled that any Catholic would have an interest in defending or supporting murder.
March 22, 2008 at 10:45 pm
John,
Anybody can comment here, so long as he is civil and respectful (and that rule about civility goes for all commenters, even those that agree with us). However, just remember that the majority of Catholics who comment here are orthodox Catholics.
March 23, 2008 at 12:20 am
If the placard fits John… I am sorry all the nicety in all the world doesn’t change that being pro-choice is being pro-legal-murder.
Trying to couch the matter in terms of “Civility” doesn’t change an objective reality to an orthodox Catholic. We welcome you but in no way whatsoever support this idea that you yourself asked about and offered.
March 23, 2008 at 1:19 am
I know to most of you this is a political/religious issue. To me, it’s personal. So you want to know what happens to me when I see a bumper sticker like that…?
Check out “Drowning the Forgiven” on “thenoreaster.wordpress.com”.
(Assuming no one will delete this comment after a first look.)
March 23, 2008 at 2:12 am
Thank you for sharing that TNE. Understand however, that our sensibilities being what they are, bringing this issue to the forefrong while many are hoping it will just quit being talked about. I rather think pro-abortion parties are counting on pro-life fatigue.
Have you per chance heard of Rachel’s Vineyard?
http://www.rachelsvineyard.org
That may be of some help and consolation.
March 23, 2008 at 2:33 am
TNE, I am sorry to hear about your experiences. Having counseled many women who have regretted their abortions, I can in some way appreciate your situation. This is why I hope that you will understand that our aim is to spare other women from the traumas that you have been through.
With well over a million abortions a year just in the United States, it is our duty to keep the issue before the public. We do not target mothers for scorn in our entries on abortion, but rather try to focus on the damage abortion does to women, families and society as well as the children.
I hope that you can appreciate that. God Bless and Happy Easter.
March 23, 2008 at 2:42 am
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March 23, 2008 at 2:56 am
John, it seems you have come to pick a fight. Is that really necessary? SS, has slung no mud, but you have called him a lier. If you want a conversation. Go ahead, converse.
March 23, 2008 at 3:00 am
John, if you want to talk about the abuse scandal, please read and respond to this article:
http://blog.ancient-future.net/2007/10/16/shedding-light-on-sex-abuse-scandals/
March 23, 2008 at 3:38 am
asimplesinner, Is ninety percent of the nation crazy and you are infallible?
I am not infallible - the Church to which you claim membership is. I don’t for a minute believe that 90% of the nation is with you on this one, but for the sake of argument, that would only put them in the same position as nations that have practiced human sacrifice.
You see I could call you a ’supporter of crazy idiocy’ as the overwhelming percentage of Catholics would. But I won’t—for now.
You can, and you may well end up doing just that. What you call me will not change my mind, it will not be a convincing argument, and it would only make you look very uncivil and demonstrate poor form.
Still trying to find my way to catholic sexual abuse. Where is that covered? Come on be upfront.
Well Father J pointed you to an article. But maybe you are new to blogging? When you arrive at a new blog, use the search feature to go ahead and look for a topic that we have discussed that interests you. As it so happens this has been covered. Were it not the case, however, this is a blog, not an open forum (though Ancient-Future Catholics has one of those - see the link) so it can’t be expected that by your demands we will cover what you wish.
If you would like to provide a link to the article you want to discuss, I will see if I can post about it. Otherwise I am being asked to discuss something I have never seen. You might as well be asking me to review a movie I never saw.
Your statement of purpose is obviously a lie, and I suspect you don’t really think but swoon over pictures of Cardinal Law.
That is a nasty affront on at least two parts - if you want to play that way, go ahead. But I will not rise to the bait of it. You don’t know me but you are ready to sterotype. I wouldn’t know what Cardinal Law looked like if he knocked on my door… But if that satisfies you as combox discourse, every man must go through life finding his own way. I hope you can do better, but what will be will be.
Buddy, you started the ‘mud slinging’ and I’ve run across your type before: You’re welcome here as long as you accept that I have to be right.
Can you tell me more about what you think your type is? So far you have come to this blog and been provacative and insisted that we can’t be assertive in declaring that we as Catholics who think with the heart of the Church are right for doing so.
Have we deleted your comments? Have we banned you? No.
But we will not agree with you.
Come on, put up or shut up, or at least take down your deceptive “about us” to draw in innocent bloggers who give you more credit than you apparently deserve. Jack
March 23, 2008 at 3:43 am
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March 23, 2008 at 3:44 am
So far we have been open and honest about our stance. To wit:
“We are a group of orthodox Catholic bloggers that tackle a variety of topics, including sane ecumenism, book reviews, worship, the saints, Catholic news, politics, Catholic Social Teaching, and much more. While doctrinally and morally orthodox, we have one of the most diverse group of Catholic bloggers in the Catholic blogosphere! We try to be orthodox, engaging, and charitable, and open to honest dialogue with other Christians.”
If you feel like a victimized innocent blogger, Jack, that is regrettable. I hope you can work through that.
As it stands, everything in our description of ourself still holds true.
Keep praying, keep us in your prayers, and we will do the same for you, brother. To think with the heart of the Church is a joy, it helps us to live well and ultimately to die well. I wish that for everyone.
March 23, 2008 at 4:11 am
Little syllogism for you here Jack:
If murder is the killing of innocent life and
If abortion is the killing of innocent life
Then Abortion is _______________
If Abortion is _____________ and
If one supports abortion
Then to support abortion is to support_____________
Do you support abortion?
What is abortion?
If you would like to present a case for why you feel the Catholic Church is wrong about this, please do - we will listen. But as it stands now, no amount of disliking what we understand to be an objective reality - truly what all Christians from all times before the XX century believed, well we will have problems - you aren’t going to like our feelings on this one.
We aren’t “open” to the point of being relativists. This is a Catholic group blog, and in our “about” page we make it clear - we think with the heart of the Church and are loyal to the Magisterium. If you are a Catholic who knows what the magisterium teaches, you know where we stand.
Were you somehow of the thinking that you weren’t going to have a difference of opinion - and a strong one at that - when you posted a comment in a pro-life post saying you were pro-choice?
So please, if you can be civil about it, explain how we “lied” (that is some rather serious libel, Jack) because we described ourselves as being orthodox - and that is what we are.
True truth in advertising that.
March 23, 2008 at 4:23 am
Jack,
Our about us page does not say we are “open-minded.” That can mean just about anything. We are open to dialogue with other Christians, and also open to discussion with Catholics opposed to Church Teaching. However, part of being open is actually stating what we believe honestly. If you wish to discuss being a pro-choice Catholic, fine, but you also have to be able to actually discuss it with those here who may disagree with you, and accept our honest answers.
If you wish to discuss the issues, then let’s discuss them. I don’t think you have actually discussed any issues yet, except asking a question and then claiming our “about us” page lies. If you wish to discuss, then please discuss. I am more than ready to discuss these issues patiently with you. Otherwise, we are going to have to assume you are a “troll,” an internet term for someone who comes to a blog mainly to stir up trouble.
March 23, 2008 at 4:37 am
Let’s keep the comments here *about the original topic,* which is about abortion. If you wish to discuss who said what, who lied, who is mean, etc, please take it in private. We have some excellent posts related to Holy Week here that nobody has commented on yet. For the edification of all, either keep this thread on topic, or comment on the other posts. And let’s keep this charitable, remembering to speak truth in love.
March 23, 2008 at 1:54 pm
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March 23, 2008 at 3:28 pm
John,
First, let me wish you a happy Easter.
Second, I am not sure if you are new to blogs, but I think you are unfamiliar with what a blog is. It is not a forum. On a forum you can ask any question you want and start a discussion. We do have a forum, at forum.ancient-future.net. If you have a specific question about clergy abuse you can ask it there. A blog is a web journal where people share their thoughts and others comment on those particular thoughts. This post here is about abortion, not clergy abuse. Where you originally commented is our “about us” page, not a page soliciting comments and questions about clergy abuse. We are not trying to stifle your questions, but like any other blog, ask that you address the topic raised in the post (in this post, abortion).
If you wish to discuss clergy abuse there are a few ways you can go about it. Go to the post on our blog about clergy abuse, and comment there (you were given a link). Or you can go to our forum and ask about it. Also, since you have a blog, you can post your thoughts on it there and see what comments you get. You may think this is me being mean to you, but it is not. We are more than willing to discuss these issues with you. Also, since we are a group blog, different contributors (and commenters) have different personalities, so understand that. We will patiently discuss with you if you grant us the same.
March 23, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Jack, Happy Easter.
You were given an answer - you may not have liked it much, but that as the case may be it was given to you - there are posts here about the abuse scandal and we can discuss the content of those.
If you want to send a link to this article, by all means do so. I am no more prepared to discuss the article having never read it than I am prepared to review the movie “The Last Emperor” - because I haven’t seen that either.
Where has the commentary gone? It was deleted as David said it would be - that wasn’t an open discussion forum to “ask the bloggers” - we do have a forum if you want to register there and ask these things. This isn’t a Q&A service.
I hope your Easter is a blessed one.
March 23, 2008 at 3:49 pm
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March 23, 2008 at 3:57 pm
John,
I really don’t know what you are getting at. I didn’t put any comments here. I don’t have the ability to move comments around. Here is the difference between a blog and a forum:
Blog: Our thoughts and your/our comments on those thoughts
Forum: A place for open discussion and questions/answers
And this is not just a distinction we make. It is very common all over the web.
Please take my suggestions above about where to post your question about clergy abuse. Go to our forum, register, and ask it. Go to the post that was given to you about clergy abuse, and discuss your question there. If you wish to discuss a particular article you read, you would have to email us (or post it on your personal blog). Our group address is: perchristum@ancient-future.net. I assume you blog is at: http://johnhh.blogspot.com/. Another option is to ask your questions there, and people will come over and discuss it with you. We will gladly come over and discuss it on your blog.
Take the time that you are taking to comment here, and go and ask your question in the proper place. I have given you at least 2 ways to discuss the issue you want to discuss. Please take us up on that offer. Otherwise, I am going to have to assume you are not really here to discuss issues. Clergy Abuse is serious and worthy of discussion, so start discussing it, in the proper place.
Comments are now closed. Please take discussion about sexual abuse to a post on sexual abuse.