Comments on: Contraception: Why Not? MP3s by Dr. Janet Smith http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/ The Ancient and Future Catholics Blog Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:13:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: David L. http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-4506 David L. Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:40:19 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-4506 I wish I had encountered Dr. Smith's writings 16 years who, while still unmarried, I found myself involved in a relationship that very quickly leaped into pre-marital sex and contraception. And you know what? Everything Dr Smith talks about was true of that experience. We couldn't say "I want to have a baby with you" and when faced with only "I want to have sex with you" the relationship soon floundered. It's interesting in that I got married three years after this mishap and in that relationship we remained true to the principles Janet Smith outlines and the outcome was decidely different! I wish I had encountered Dr. Smith’s writings 16 years who, while still unmarried, I found myself involved in a relationship that very quickly leaped into pre-marital sex and contraception. And you know what? Everything Dr Smith talks about was true of that experience. We couldn’t say “I want to have a baby with you” and when faced with only “I want to have sex with you” the relationship soon floundered.

It’s interesting in that I got married three years after this mishap and in that relationship we remained true to the principles Janet Smith outlines and the outcome was decidely different!

]]> By: 40 yrs of Humanae Vitae - God and marriage pt II « Thinking Love, No Twaddle http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-4439 40 yrs of Humanae Vitae - God and marriage pt II « Thinking Love, No Twaddle Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:07:22 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-4439 [...] You can listen to it on MP3 HERE [...] [...] You can listen to it on MP3 HERE [...]

]]> By: morningglories http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-3049 morningglories Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:01:29 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-3049 Very thought provoking lecture. The explanation of why the Catholic Church has been anti-contraception was very helpful - and not something I had heard before. As a Protestant, the rational behind that church policy (or lack of one) was never clear, but I think Dr. Smith's points made sense. Very thought provoking lecture. The explanation of why the Catholic Church has been anti-contraception was very helpful - and not something I had heard before. As a Protestant, the rational behind that church policy (or lack of one) was never clear, but I think Dr. Smith’s points made sense.

]]> By: Irenaeus http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-2991 Irenaeus Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:13:06 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-2991 PS: SimpleSinner, I responded to your recent comment on remarried couples attending church at my <a href="http://catholidoxy.blogspot.com/2008/03/on-divorce-and-eucharist.html" rel="nofollow">post</a> on it. PS: SimpleSinner, I responded to your recent comment on remarried couples attending church at my post on it.

]]> By: Irenaeus http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-2990 Irenaeus Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:04:07 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-2990 SimpleSinner, yeah, I'm aware; but maybe it would have been better for the poster to have presented *some* sort of hermeneutical context. I can see how some of the texts in a general way pertain to giving of oneself, and I suspect certain Fathers back in the day might even have used them in relation to sex, marriage and contraception. But as the list stands, I don't think it does much. I do very much, however, want to dive into the issue of sorcery, witchcraft and pharmaceuticals in the OT and NT. I've not heard this angle on life issues and contraception until very recently. Fr. J., I can make time for good and important stuff. (In fact, once the semester ends, I've got a severe stack of Catholic books I want to get to.) I think I heard her briefly on the BBC some months ago getting abused by the interviewer. Now, I've never quite gotten why men would go to seminary, entertain and commit to a life of celibacy, and then feel free to dismiss and disregard Catholic teaching. I'm glad your not in that place. Keep up the good work. SimpleSinner, yeah, I’m aware; but maybe it would have been better for the poster to have presented *some* sort of hermeneutical context. I can see how some of the texts in a general way pertain to giving of oneself, and I suspect certain Fathers back in the day might even have used them in relation to sex, marriage and contraception. But as the list stands, I don’t think it does much. I do very much, however, want to dive into the issue of sorcery, witchcraft and pharmaceuticals in the OT and NT. I’ve not heard this angle on life issues and contraception until very recently.

Fr. J., I can make time for good and important stuff. (In fact, once the semester ends, I’ve got a severe stack of Catholic books I want to get to.) I think I heard her briefly on the BBC some months ago getting abused by the interviewer.

Now, I’ve never quite gotten why men would go to seminary, entertain and commit to a life of celibacy, and then feel free to dismiss and disregard Catholic teaching. I’m glad your not in that place. Keep up the good work.

]]> By: Fr. J. http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-2989 Fr. J. Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:34:10 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-2989 Irenaeus, I know these recordings are long and you may not have much time. I will tell you though, as a Catholic and even seminarian I never took HV seriously until I listened to Janet Smith. She completely changed my point of view. As I said before, I have all the couples I marry listen to this lecture. Of the hundreds who have listened to them, none has come back to me saying they still thought the Church was wrong on this. Many may find the teaching difficult. But, none have found it wrong. Irenaeus, I know these recordings are long and you may not have much time. I will tell you though, as a Catholic and even seminarian I never took HV seriously until I listened to Janet Smith. She completely changed my point of view.

As I said before, I have all the couples I marry listen to this lecture. Of the hundreds who have listened to them, none has come back to me saying they still thought the Church was wrong on this. Many may find the teaching difficult. But, none have found it wrong.

]]> By: asimplesinner http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-2988 asimplesinner Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:54:59 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-2988 Irenaeus, as Catholics, Taylor and I aren't proof-texters, of course. Any one of these texts we could debate... But in the spirit of the teaching on birth control and our co-participation with the Father in the creation of immortal souls, it is easy to see the parallels in this case. Again, we aren't proof-texters, we're Catholics. Irenaeus, as Catholics, Taylor and I aren’t proof-texters, of course. Any one of these texts we could debate… But in the spirit of the teaching on birth control and our co-participation with the Father in the creation of immortal souls, it is easy to see the parallels in this case.

Again, we aren’t proof-texters, we’re Catholics.

]]> By: Irenaeus http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-2987 Irenaeus Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:47:06 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-2987 The Marshall bit on the Bible and contraception is a bit of a stretch in most instances. I'm sympathetic to his/your position on the issue, but I don't see how Ananias & Sapphira have much bearing on the issue, except in the most general way. The Marshall bit on the Bible and contraception is a bit of a stretch in most instances. I’m sympathetic to his/your position on the issue, but I don’t see how Ananias & Sapphira have much bearing on the issue, except in the most general way.

]]> By: Fr. J. http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/21/contraception-why-not-mp3s-by-dr-janet-smith/#comment-2966 Fr. J. Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:31:33 +0000 http://blog.ancient-future.net/?p=1058#comment-2966 Thank you so much for putting these files up, SS. I always have couples preparing for marriage listen to this lecture. I had run out of copies to give out to couples. Now I can make as many CD's as I like to hand out. Blessed Triduum Thank you so much for putting these files up, SS. I always have couples preparing for marriage listen to this lecture. I had run out of copies to give out to couples. Now I can make as many CD’s as I like to hand out.

Blessed Triduum

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