Comments on: Jewish PC Prayers http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/05/20/jewish-pc-prayers/ The Ancient and Future Catholics Blog Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:23:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Irenaeus http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/05/20/jewish-pc-prayers/#comment-4068 Irenaeus Tue, 20 May 2008 22:33:37 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-4068 Yeah, on second thought, I see that too. It's like the traditional language is at once transcendent and highly particular, while the new heretical stuff is so generic it seems removed and thus faux-transcendent. Yeah, on second thought, I see that too. It’s like the traditional language is at once transcendent and highly particular, while the new heretical stuff is so generic it seems removed and thus faux-transcendent.

]]> By: Jonathan B http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/05/20/jewish-pc-prayers/#comment-4064 Jonathan B Tue, 20 May 2008 19:47:01 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-4064 Irenaeus, I guess I had in mind what could be more properly called "gender neutral" language where "father" becomes "creator" and "Lord" becomes "Holy One" or "Loving God," etc. Rather than feminizing the language of the prayers (e.g. God our Father-Mother), many now prefer to remove any refererence to gender, which quite frankly results in language that may not be openly heretical, but is not actively orthodox either. It's a bland middle ground. I remember having morning prayer services at the Episcopal seminary I briefly attended that began with "In the name of the one, holy, and living God." Those are all accurarate descriptions of God, but hardly a substitute for the traditional trinitarian opening. Irenaeus,
I guess I had in mind what could be more properly called “gender neutral” language where “father” becomes “creator” and “Lord” becomes “Holy One” or “Loving God,” etc. Rather than feminizing the language of the prayers (e.g. God our Father-Mother), many now prefer to remove any refererence to gender, which quite frankly results in language that may not be openly heretical, but is not actively orthodox either. It’s a bland middle ground. I remember having morning prayer services at the Episcopal seminary I briefly attended that began with “In the name of the one, holy, and living God.” Those are all accurarate descriptions of God, but hardly a substitute for the traditional trinitarian opening.

]]> By: Irenaeus http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/05/20/jewish-pc-prayers/#comment-4063 Irenaeus Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:23 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-4063 "It seems that every time scholars excise so-called exclusive language from liturgies (Christian or otherwise), the result is that God’s transcendence is emphasized, while the more intimate language for God is lost." I think you have this backwards, as feminists want to emphasize the 'maternal' or feminine aspects of God, such as nearness, intimacy, tenderness, etc. Trinitarian father language is regal (which is precisely what makes Jesus' words about the Father in Matthew so profound and powerful). “It seems that every time scholars excise so-called exclusive language from liturgies (Christian or otherwise), the result is that God’s transcendence is emphasized, while the more intimate language for God is lost.”

I think you have this backwards, as feminists want to emphasize the ‘maternal’ or feminine aspects of God, such as nearness, intimacy, tenderness, etc. Trinitarian father language is regal (which is precisely what makes Jesus’ words about the Father in Matthew so profound and powerful).

]]> By: asimplesinner http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/05/20/jewish-pc-prayers/#comment-4060 asimplesinner Tue, 20 May 2008 16:04:31 +0000 http://perchristumblog.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-4060 One good thing that may come of this sad episode is that people may realize that today's Judaism is far from being a pristine transmission of Old Testament Judaism. Growing up and attending Catholic schools it was oft-alluded that modern Jewish praxis had total contitnuity with Old Israel and it was the same faith. In fact Judaism today is based on precepts of Old Israel, but their is lacking continuity. Maybe this will help people to see just that. One good thing that may come of this sad episode is that people may realize that today’s Judaism is far from being a pristine transmission of Old Testament Judaism.

Growing up and attending Catholic schools it was oft-alluded that modern Jewish praxis had total contitnuity with Old Israel and it was the same faith. In fact Judaism today is based on precepts of Old Israel, but their is lacking continuity.

Maybe this will help people to see just that.

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